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Buckeye Backer
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Seems to be some pretty good records out there for the mid major conferences. I am aware that most have played conference only type of schedules, but nevertheless, there seems to be some solid teams. Who can make some noise in the NCAA tournament, should they win their conference and make it?
Belmont (22-1)
Winthrop (18-1)
Drake (20-2)
Abilene Christian (18-3)
UC Santa Barbara (14-3)
Loyola Chicago (18-4)
Wright State (17-4)
UAB (16-4)
Boise St (16-4)
W Kentucky (15-4)
VCU (15-4)
Grand Canyon (12-3)
Colgate (9-1)
Can any of these teams make some legit noise? Any Elite 8 or Final 4 sleepers in there? I don't know much about any of these teams? All i know, is that outside of Gonzaga and Baylor, seems like anybody can make it this year?

I Bleed Garnet
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zzgobucky
Wisconsin Fan
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Belmont (22-1)
Winthrop (18-1)
Drake (20-2)
Abilene Christian (18-3)
UC Santa Barbara (14-3)
Loyola Chicago (18-4)
Wright State (17-4)
UAB (16-4)
Boise St (16-4)
W Kentucky (15-4)
VCU (15-4)
Grand Canyon (12-3)
Colgate (9-1)

These for sure have a great chance to upset a 5/6 seed. I’d say actually Saint Louis has a better chance than any of these teams though.

hoopsgalore
Wisconsin Fan
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Member since Nov 2013
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Loyola, for sure. Very good defensive team (No. 1 KenPom) that controls the pace + still has a couple contributors, including Cam Krutwig, from their Final Four team a few years ago.

Magnus
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msutiger
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UAB (16-4)

Lmao. They are trash. They haven’t beaten anyone with a pulse and just got exposed in Ruston.
They avoided playing both Marshall and Western Kentucky and then their two games against North Texas were cancelled due to Covid.

devils1854
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Franklin
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nerdmachine
Missouri Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
173 posts

I would echo the other poster that said Loyola. Cameron Krutwig was on the final four team from a couple years ago and is a walking double/double. You almost have to send a double team at him in the post or he’s going to score every time and if he doesn’t he finds the open man. Moser is a very good coach also. I also think Belmont just because of their history but haven’t seen them play yet

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Choot em Tiger
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OhioLSUfan
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nvasil1
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Drake gonna bust up some brackets this year

If they even get into the tournament. They'll likely need to win Arch Madness or risk being left out like Illinois State a few years ago.
Loyola beat them by 27 on Saturday. On Sunday, they needed 19 turnovers from Loyola to scrape out a one point win in OT. They were destroyed on the glass all weekend, and their star forward Hemphill is done for the year.

GEAUX5
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mizslu314
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Until SLUs month long freeze last month, a computer did 100 simulations of jerry palms bracket, and SLU had won it the 6 most times of any team. The freeze caused SLU to miss their first 2 games back, but if they get back to where they were before, I’d have to say they are the favorites.

Magnus
Oregon State Fan
San Diego
Member since Sep 2019
277 posts

they may get two in this year, lunardi has them on the bubble and loyal chi on the 8/9 line

Buckeye Backer
Ohio State Fan
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
7212 posts

NCAA Statement
The NCAA just announced that they are leaving it up to the conferences whether or not the regular season champion or the conference tournament champion represents their conference in the NCAA? If that's the case, i would suspect that many of the mid majors will take their regular season champ. One could argue that the conference tournament champion auto-bid into the NCAA tournament has hurt the mid majors success in the NCAA tournament. Nothing like a deserving (27-5) regular season conference champion losing to a (15-17) team that got hot for a few games.

Magnus
Oregon State Fan
San Diego
Member since Sep 2019
277 posts

dang, that's a game changer...i def can see a team like belmont bypassing the tourny rather than risk losing to tennessee state in the finals

nerdmachine
Missouri Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
173 posts

I have always believed that the regular season champion of a conference should get the autobid. That’s the most deserving team and they proved it all season long. I understand the conference tournament argument, it gives teams a reason to keep trying the entire season, but when one team gets hot and it causes the league’s team with an actual opportunity to win a an NCAA tournament game or two to miss out I think it basically degrades the meaning of the regular season

Most conferences may not even have a tournament with Covid still going on.

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zzgobucky
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This is how I would rank them most likely to make a S16.
1. Saint Louis
2. San Diego St
3. Loyola Chi
4. Boise St
5. VCU

I Bleed Garnet
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quote:
have always believed that the regular season champion of a conference should get the autobid. That’s the most deserving team and they proved it all season long. I understand the conference tournament argument, it gives teams a reason to keep trying the entire season, but when one team gets hot and it causes the league’s team with an actual opportunity to win a an NCAA tournament game or two to miss out I think it basically degrades the meaning of the regular season

I get why they do the tourneys
Especially today
But maybe they should cap the tourneys, maybe the top 4 teams?
Top 5 so the regular season winner gets a bye?
Maybe 3 with the regular season winner already in the tittle?

Zags are mid major.
they look terrific.
a couple of first rounders.
Belmont has a very good coach and seniors. they can beat anyone but they only got by murray on the last shot by 1 point at murray and murray is so so this year. 3 good players. no bench.
from your list Belmont.

Magnus
Oregon State Fan
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what's the lowdown on this team? pardon my ignorance but i have never heard of these guys

Choot em Tiger
LSU Fan
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Member since Jan 2012
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Small Private School in Louisville. They started out meh but have gotten hot-against mostly meh competition. Something to watch as they face Liberty in a couple of weeks for what could determine the conference.

zzgobucky
Wisconsin Fan
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Member since Sep 2016
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Zags are mid major.
they look terrific.
a couple of first rounders.
Belmont has a very good coach and seniors. they can beat anyone but they only got by murray on the last shot by 1 point at murray and murray is so so this year. 3 good players. no bench.
from your list Belmont.

Few things, Murray is not that good at all this year, and Belmont actually lost to Samford not Murray. Also Gonzaga may play in a mid major conference but they are no means a mid major anymore

I Bleed Garnet
South Carolina Fan
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quote:
Bellarmine

I believe they are Ineligible for the tourney

bulldog95
LSU Fan
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quote:
The NCAA just announced that they are leaving it up to the conferences whether or not the regular season champion or the conference tournament champion represents their conference in the NCAA? If that's the case, i would suspect that many of the mid majors will take their regular season champ. One could argue that the conference tournament champion auto-bid into the NCAA tournament has hurt the mid majors success in the NCAA tournament. Nothing like a deserving (27-5) regular season conference champion losing to a (15-17) team that got hot for a few games.

This is how it always should be. It makes me ill when some team dominates their league's regular season only to have some team that went 5-13 in league play with nothing to lose go scorching hot from 3 in a high pressure single elimination tournament and bounce the league favorite.

msutiger
Louisiana Tech Fan
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This is how it always should be. It makes me ill when some team dominates their league's regular season only to have some team that went 5-13 in league play with nothing to lose go scorching hot from 3 in a high pressure single elimination tournament and bounce the league favorite.

Louisiana Tech won three straight conference championships and was ranked in the top 25 two of those years and didn’t make a single ncaa tournament because of BS like that.
If I remember correctly, Iona had something similar happen to them around the same time.

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stlslick
Missouri Fan
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
11321 posts

Saint Louis would be a tough mid major, but they have been butt fricked by the Covid shite.
Playing a few games, then 1 month with no games, 2 games, no games for 2 weeks.,etc
No way you can get any kind of mojo going when your not playing against other teams in 2-3 weeks a pop

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If I remember correctly, Iona had something similar happen to them around the same time.

Iona has actually been the beneficiary. They are usually the team that didn't win the MAAC and bounces other teams that did.
I understand why these conferences do it though - if they have an at-large worthy candidate, then playing a conference tournament raises the leagues odds of getting two bids if the at large candidate loses in the conference tournament.
The problem is that most of the time, these teams don't lose in their conference tournament. And for many of these leagues, its very rare to have an at-large worthy team.

Buckeye Backer
Ohio State Fan
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
7212 posts

Gonzaga is NOT a mid major. They’re ranked #1 for god sake. They’ve been to a national title game, have multiple Final Fours and have made the tournament like 24 years in a row or something like that. Anybody know anything about Wright St? They’ve won like 10+ games in a row. Seems like a team I wouldn’t want to play. Of all years, I think you could see multiple mid majors make the Elite 8.

Elleshoe
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I Bleed Garnet
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blzr
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UAB not quite there yet, but will soon be dominating CUSA again.

stlslick
Missouri Fan
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
11321 posts

Gonzaga WAS a midmajor.
They are not a midmajor no more. They put $$ into their program to be a tier 1 program.

McMillan
Missouri Fan
Member since Jul 2018
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They're slowly coming around. All they need to do is avoid another bad loss.

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conference tournament champion auto-bid

Easily one of the dumbest things in sports

Buckeye Backer
Ohio State Fan
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
7212 posts

quote:
Swing and a miss

Yup, you're correct, i was already assuming that they were going to make it this year to have 2 Final Fours. Got ahead of myself there lol. Gonzaga's NCAA resume over the last 22 years is impressive regardless.
22 NCAA Appearances in a Row (including this year)
10 Sweet Sixteen's
4 Elite Eight's
1 Final Four
1 National Championship Appearance

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